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I wanted to say uh first of all thanks

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for doing this and also uh I respect

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your

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um tenacity and persistence because you

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have been doing this for a long time I

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looked on your YouTube channel I think

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your first video I could be wrong here

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but it looks like your first video was

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like six years ago so I wanted to ask

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um since then

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do you think disclosure is

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um in a better spot a worse spot than

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then or the same oh I think it's in a

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much better spot and one thing I notice

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on Twitter which I find really humorous

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is and in my YouTube comments people are

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like you've been saying you've been

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saying we're going to get disclosure

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forever

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criticize me and I find it humorous for

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multiple reasons but one reason I find

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it humorous is let's just do a

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hypothetical if we were to get

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disclosure

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10 years after the after the December 16

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2017 New York Times article that would

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still be literally utterly profound and

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incredible and I would feel fully

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Justified that I

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that I treated this topic the way I did

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because to go from December 16 2017 New

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York Times article and then 10 years

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later to get what many many May argue to

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be the the greatest historical event in

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human history 10 years is nothing so I

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think a lot of people are so preoccupied

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with dunking on you or putting you in a

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bad light or characterizing you as some

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kind of gullible person that they they

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kind of lose sight of the bigger picture

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that look

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even if even if it did take 10 years

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post December 16th that would still mean

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that the December 16 2017 New York Times

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article

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started something truly profound and it

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wasn't a nothing Burger as some cynics

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tried to characterize it and all the

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things that have

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happened since then also are not in

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nothing Burger because if we do get

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disclosure even if it's five years from

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today that's mind-blowing but yes to

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answer your question I do think that we

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are in a better place I think that

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the recent legislation that was signed

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on December 23rd I think 2022 with the

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ndaa was signed in by Joe Biden all of

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that lays out a a pathway to ultimately

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get disclosure in my opinion and and

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I've said it before uh you know this

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whole Topic in my opinion is falsifiable

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to some level because if we if if many

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years after the legislation

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nothing happens then if that's not proof

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there's no there there but the Skeptics

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will have a really excellent article uh

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argument to make and I'll be making that

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argument right along with them too

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yeah now it's interesting that you say

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that but I I happen to believe that um

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you know ufology may take a hit

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initially if something like that were to

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occur but I think you'd probably agree

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with me it would never go anywhere I

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mean just for the simple fact that you

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can never identify absolutely everything

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all the time that's in your air space so

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there's always going to be something but

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and you know but a part of my question

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was you know that I I appreciate how

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consistent you've been over the years

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it'd be so easy with with all the

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obstacles negativity debunkers the to

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just like flip-flop throughout all those

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years you know and say oh I don't

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believe this anymore or whatever as

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people often do we've seen that all the

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time but you've never done that you've

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you've remained positive and steady uh

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and I agree with you that uh you know

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2016 to now is just such a small

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snapshot in time when I go back and

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study you know cases from back in the

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day I think about like what 1952 to what

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1959 was like back then you know which

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was really such a small amount of time

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so it's so I completely agree with you

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um what do you foresee uh happening from

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here as far as any sort of uh disclosure

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and also what is disclosure to you

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well I'll answer the second question

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first uh I Define disclosure

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as evidence emerging that is so

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compelling of this phenomenon

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and and not just evidence that like says

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it's a weather phenomena if this ends up

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being some kind of bizarre weather

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phenomena then disclosure is lame right

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I Define the sloser being evidence

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emerging that is so compelling that

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there are that there are Technologies

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in our airspace and potentially in our

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oceans potentially in space But at the

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very minimum in our airspace that are

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that exceed

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our current understanding of how

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technology works and exceeds anything

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that any military inventory in the world

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has if that ever becomes so compelling

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that the consensus becomes that's true

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then that's disclosure whether it's from

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a mass citing whether it's from another

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government whether it's from a uh the

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Galileo project with Avi lobe it doesn't

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really matter the source but the moment

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that happens that's when we get

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disclosure

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um and as far as what I foresee

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was able to be maintained as

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multifaceted one reason is is the stigma

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that surrounded this topic the giggle

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and so you could have people coming

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forward as people have and it's not

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really going to make that many waves

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because there's the giggle Factor people

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are self-conscious about it people don't

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want to be labeled the UFO guy and uh

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people don't you know there's people get

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embarrassed by giving this topic weight

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and that's diminished significantly and

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then on top of it now you have the the

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United States Congress requesting

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information going back to 1945 getting

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all of the historical record uh and and

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going to classifying information to put

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that together for the Congress any

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efforts of disinformation any efforts of

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misinformation

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um even even was there any capacity to

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to track UAP that's in the legislation

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as well they want to know about that

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uh they want to know if there were any

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UFO programs beyond what we already know

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hold on like while you're talking like

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it's it's just like and it's hit me

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before but it continues to hit me like

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how crazy that language is

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yeah and there's people

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saying that saying that it has nothing

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to do with UFOs I'm sorry it's

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it's it'll clear that's UFOs that's

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they're they're they're alluding to

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Technologies of Unknown Origin they're

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not alluding to drones created by Russia

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or China that's pretty obvious

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I mean I I don't some people just blow

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my mind but um we need you to tell us

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about that downed Russian aircraft from

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that you're reverse engineered right

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like there's already programs within the

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US government that are that are pursuing

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um Russian craft and and acts and

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getting in possession with Russian craft

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or Chinese craft through clandestine

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means and all that that's that's already

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well established obviously the Congress

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is looking for something very different

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than that obviously

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yeah even like uh the language down the

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road I think at some point they they

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changed language or something so so it

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was crystal clear that they were only

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interested in things that were not

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man-made like okay let me just spell it

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out for you people if it's not man-made

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we're interested yeah no that's uh but I

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do I think well but I do think we will

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get disclosure because I do think that

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every secrecy has a shelf life and you

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can Secrets cannot be maintained

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really good point recently on Twitter

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she said like why do people say we're

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never going to get disclosure it's it's

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akin to saying like we're never gonna

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get gay marriage or we're never going to

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get the legalization of marijuana it's

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like no we will get disclosure maybe it

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will be maybe we further down the line

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than we expect but if it is true and

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this is obviously debatable but if it is

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true that the United States government

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has five High Fidelity data of these

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very clear to me that's true you just

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look at the Nimitz event you look at all

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of these sensor the sensor collecting

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mechanisms and they're even even uh John

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that they have satellite imagery and

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this is huge I this I just this is worth

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repeating a million times over I don't

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think it necessarily got enough press

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but according to James Fox when he went

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on The Joe Rogan show he said that um

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he spoke to Chris melon and and Chris

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Mellon told James Fox um the only reason

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I'm going to tell you this is because

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John Radcliffe said it but yes there is

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satellite imagery I've seen that

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satellite imagery and you wanna and

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James fox is like oh come on tell me how

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good is that imagery of UAP in Chris

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melon according to James Fox and I don't

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but according to James Fox who said that

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Chris Mellon said as good as you can

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imagine 4K so so my point is if that

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data actually exists there's no way that

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that can be covered up indefinitely

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eventually you know the rubber is going

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to hit the road and I think we're in

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that environment right now that if that

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data exists eventually the secret the

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secret the policy of secrecy cannot

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cannot continue much longer that's just

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my opinion no and that's a great Point

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bringing up uh what James Fox said about

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Chris Miller because he you

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you know I always think like what are

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what are people's uh whys what's the

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reason they do what they do right and

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which you know by the way I'd like to

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ask you that but it you know as far as

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like Chris melon or Lou Elizondo If

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people really think that they will go

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this far out on a limb without that

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being true what James Fox Said without

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Chris Mellon seeing great footage or

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even Lou or whatever where it's like

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okay this is obvious you know would they

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really go out on a limb like this off a

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interpretations I don't think so you

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know that that's a great point so maybe

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that's you know I'm just spitballing but

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maybe that's some of their motivation is

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because they've seen something like that

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what do you think yeah yeah I guess but

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I I think the reason people are so

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skeptical that there's higher Fidelity

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data and it's and I understand it it's

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not illogical the reason they're so

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skeptical is because it is very clear

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that this phenomenon does not want to be

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documented now when you say when you say

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that people are like oh that's that's

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just that's just that's just mental

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gymnastics that UFO Believers are doing

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to explain away why there's not a ton of

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great footage or photography over all

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these years but it's like wait wait a

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minute hold up

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do you know what these the capability of

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this phenomena is I mean I I this is an

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example I've used before but if we ever

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get the capacity for Interstellar travel

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us human beings in 10 000 years from now

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we're visiting other planets we may

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decide that we don't want to be

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um documented for whatever reason maybe

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because we did we we want to study this

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the the

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otherworldly species in a natural kind

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of way and we don't want to interfere

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and we want for our own scientific um

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interest

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would we be able to have ai that could

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scan large swaths of area or you know

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disable cameras or maybe even the

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propulsion system of our craft would

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make it unlikely that anyone would get

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good documentation I think that's highly

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plausible and it annoys me when Skeptics

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act as if that's not plausible that is

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so absurdly and irritatingly biased it's

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just ridiculous but to get to your other

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question why did I get interested in

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this topic like why do I do what I do

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and I I've said this before and I think

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it probably surprises some people but I

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think what drives me the most honestly

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is I just wanted to be a part of the

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conversation I wanted to be a part of

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the conversation in a significant way

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because I perceive that this this this

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is one of the biggest maybe maybe

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arguably

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world today is non-human intelligence

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engaging our species and so who would

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not want to be a part of that

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conversation if they recognized that

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that's what's here and that's what's

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happening so that's what drives me I

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just wanna I wanna be able to influence

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the conversation and and not just be a

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spectator so that's what drives me every

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day in many respects

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no I appreciate that and I kind of feel

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the same way

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um because it's that important to me I

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guess and in my experience was dramatic

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enough to to put me in a can-do kind of

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attitude with this topic

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um I also look back at uh one of your

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videos I wasn't able to watch at all

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but you describe four paranormal

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experiences oh geez yeah

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are you able to get into any of those

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yeah I I can uh I can approach any of

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that if you want me to go into that yeah

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I would love to hear about the the

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blinking orbs or or whatever was most

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impactful

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um while the blinking orbs and look I

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I'm gonna be the first one to say I've I

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have had four paranormal experiences

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that I that I consider significant

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but I would only say one of them in my

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more or less convinced was actually

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paranormal so I'm I'm very I'm a very

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skeptical person in many regards or that

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would probably surprise a lot of people

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um you know I'm not a black and white

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thinker some people think some people

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are just such black and white thinkers

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they they can't parse it you're either

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you're either you either you either

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you're either skeptical you're not if

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you're skeptical you believe the whole

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ufosu is all Bs and if you're not

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skeptical and you're gullible you

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believe no no I believe that uh probably

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90 to 95 or more of sightings are Venus

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or a shooting star or

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um this or that and that very few

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sightings are actually uh of something

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anomalous so no you can you can you can

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be a quote unquote UFO believer and also

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be in highly cynical skeptical person

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those two things can coexist at the same

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time I'm sorry but they just can

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um but

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regarding the orb situation uh I'll just

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say like I was going through an

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emotional time or not necessarily time

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but maybe a portion of time and I went

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to the roof of my apartment at the time

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and I was I was uh I was doing some

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Shadow Boxing let's say because I wanted

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to get rid of some stress and then I sat

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down to meditate for like 10 minutes

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and I just was visualizing that I was

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like in a forest or whatever which is

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not a meditation technique that I

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ever use but for whatever reason I use

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that meditation technique

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and um I I from what I recall

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when I opened my eyes

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I saw like like tiny little orbs like

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flickering out of the side of my eye

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like fireflies and then and then I

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looked and it was gone and then I

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brought my face back to the center and

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then I saw from the other side of my

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eyes like fireflies and I looked and I

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was then they were gone so because of

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that right it wasn't directly in my face

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in front of my face it was peripherally

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so could it have been like some kind of

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because I because I actually I remember

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someone commenting under that video and

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and saying that um they said that uh

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maybe it was some kind of eye issue

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where that kind of thing can happen well

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it only happened that one time my entire

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life I don't know how How likely that is

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but yeah it could be

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um could it could I have been a could

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have been something other than

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paranormal absolutely but but I will

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just I will that's I I could see that

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but on the other hand it's never

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happened before it's never happened

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since and and I I do I do concede I saw

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them peripherally but it was not

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ambiguous peripherally they were like

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really bright and what that was I have

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not the foggiest idea but uh but I found

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it interesting at the time I guess

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yeah you got to love those one time uh

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Health anomalies you know we're we're

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just

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that's what I think of sometimes about

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like uh you know the thing that I saw or

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whatever it's like

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it's only happened well twice within a

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couple days but like throughout my whole

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life it's like winning the lottery you

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know like seeing one of these like holy

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cow I won

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so yeah that's uh that's it you know and

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there's all sorts of different

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paranormal experiences you know uh

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whether it be a UFO or or oh yeah oh

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yeah I'd also interested in ndes sorry

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go ahead yeah I was just gonna say that

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so many people have had these paranormal

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experiences that the idea that that

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every single person

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is just experiencing something other

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than that they than what they say

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they're experiencing sure I don't find

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that a very compelling line of argument

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I'm not maybe it's true I I don't know

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for certainty but I just don't

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especially because I've had paranormal

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experiences and you you when you have

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them you s it you know I've had one at

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least that was totally unambiguous but

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if you have a completely unambiguous UFO

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experience then I'm or paranormal

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experience don't ask that person to

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think they were crazy like I'm talking

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to you right now if if a week from now

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someone says as you talk with Sean of

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witness citizen a week ago I'll be like

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yes well maybe you were hallucinating no

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I wasn't hallucinating I remember it

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clearly it was unambiguous but go ahead

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what would you what were you asking

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um I oh yeah um first of all I want to

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hear about your unambiguous uh

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experience and then after that um tell

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me what your interest is in uh

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near-death experiences

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so I'll go into the unambiguous

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experience first um I feel really weird

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talking about it not because I'm I don't

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you don't have to but no I will no I

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will I've I've I've talked about it so

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much I've even even wrote an article

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about it but I'm just saying I feel

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weird about it in the sense that I don't

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really glean a lot of like it doesn't

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make me satisfied or fulfilled to talk

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about it every time I talked about it I

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probably feel a little self-conscious uh

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because it is so bizarre

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um and I and another thing is like if

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people think that uh that it didn't

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happen that it's a false memory or

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anything I'm totally good with that like

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I I have no

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um incentive or or or I don't feel a

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strong need for people to believe me I

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really don't care if they believe me or

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not I'm just reporting if you will what

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I remember happening so I was 14 years

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old

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and uh I was in a it was on it was a

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vacation with my dad and my brother in

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Vermont

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and I was in the back seat of a car

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while we were driving and I was looking

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out the window

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and out of nowhere I started receiving a

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telepathic message

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and

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it it was just telepathic how do I know

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it's I I don't know I just it wasn't my

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thought it was it was very unambiguously

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not my thought and simultaneously while

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I was receiving this telepathic message

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I felt an overwhelming surge of bliss so

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so you have a convergence of two

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anomalies if you will one anomaly was

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I'm receiving a thought in my mind that

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is clearly not my thought and the other

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anomaly is simultaneously I'm feeling a

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an overwhelming surge of euphoria

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um and in the Euphoria was so strong

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that I distinctly and keenly remember

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that a tear went down my cheek like my

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tear duct was activated if you will

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because the Euphoria was just so

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overwhelming but it was a it was a

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two-part message

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um I'm not going to say what the message

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is as a rule I don't it was it was about

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my life it wasn't about like world

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events or anything it was specifically

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about my life and it said a is gonna

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happen

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uh

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a is going to happen and B is going to

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happen

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and um

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so to to cut this to keep this and it's

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actually a very simple story so you

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can't really you can't really make it

529
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much smaller than it is but

530
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basically a did happen a happened uh I

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don't know how long after maybe like

532
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maybe a week or two after I got back I

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realized it happened

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and B never happened

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um

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and and I'll be honest I I

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I I feel like this experience may have

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screwed me up in Summer's guards which I

539
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find pretty interesting a lot of people

540
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think if you have a paranormal

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experience like it's gonna it's gonna

542
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Enlighten you it's gonna broaden your

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horizons you're gonna become a better

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person no I think I think this

545
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experience may have made me paranoid I

546
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think it may have made me superstitious

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I think that it may have led to me

548
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getting having a relationship with

549
00:21:12,529 --> 00:21:10,559
religion in a way that was not healthy

550
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:12,539
because at the time I believed it was

551
00:21:18,529 --> 00:21:15,600
God giving me that message so if we are

552
00:21:20,570 --> 00:21:18,539
to ascertain the ripple effect from that

553
00:21:22,250 --> 00:21:20,580
experience when I was 14 years old

554
00:21:23,390 --> 00:21:22,260
I mean I can't know for certainty

555
00:21:24,890 --> 00:21:23,400
because I'd have to see what would have

556
00:21:26,330 --> 00:21:24,900
happened with my life if I did not

557
00:21:27,470 --> 00:21:26,340
experience that so they can't know for

558
00:21:29,450 --> 00:21:27,480
certainty whether I would have turned

559
00:21:31,010 --> 00:21:29,460
out better or turned out worse but what

560
00:21:34,970 --> 00:21:31,020
I can say is that

561
00:21:37,930 --> 00:21:34,980
I do think it impacted my my mind in a

562
00:21:40,850 --> 00:21:37,940
way that that potentially was very very

563
00:21:45,169 --> 00:21:40,860
detrimental to me on the other hand

564
00:21:48,110 --> 00:21:45,179
on the other because of of the way it it

565
00:21:50,990 --> 00:21:48,120
contributed to me seeing the world and

566
00:21:52,430 --> 00:21:51,000
and belief systems if you will on the

567
00:21:57,070 --> 00:21:52,440
other hand there's always that

568
00:22:02,210 --> 00:22:00,169
objectively negative but ultimately it

569
00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:02,220
was good for me

570
00:22:10,490 --> 00:22:03,419
um

571
00:22:13,789 --> 00:22:10,500
when uh Neo goes to the oracle

572
00:22:16,430 --> 00:22:13,799
and gets his message but Morpheus is

573
00:22:18,110 --> 00:22:16,440
like uh no Leo's at some point Neo said

574
00:22:19,730 --> 00:22:18,120
are you does does the Oracle know

575
00:22:21,289 --> 00:22:19,740
everything is she going to give me

576
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:21,299
accurate information and Morpheus has

577
00:22:26,090 --> 00:22:23,280
something effective don't look at it so

578
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:26,100
much as right or wrong but what you need

579
00:22:30,529 --> 00:22:28,799
to hear so could that experience have

580
00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:30,539
had a detrimental impact upon my life

581
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:32,280
yes but could that detrimental impact

582
00:22:37,070 --> 00:22:34,320
have led to

583
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:37,080
um insights and perspectives of reality

584
00:22:42,110 --> 00:22:40,080
that were that I needed to glean that

585
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:42,120
might may be beneficial to me yes both

586
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,640
can be true at the same time and and if

587
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,559
if people are interested I wrote a whole

588
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,960
medium article

589
00:22:52,669 --> 00:22:51,120
um on that experience of what I

590
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:52,679
perceived I learned from it I think the

591
00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:55,440
title of it is um the night God spoke to

592
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:56,760
me or something you can put in the show

593
00:23:04,130 --> 00:23:00,960
notes sure yeah definitely will and that

594
00:23:06,890 --> 00:23:04,140
doesn't sound uh strange to me I've had

595
00:23:09,409 --> 00:23:06,900
an experience

596
00:23:10,669 --> 00:23:09,419
you know it's weird that you that you

597
00:23:12,409 --> 00:23:10,679
you know because I'm finding

598
00:23:15,230 --> 00:23:12,419
similarities in this experience I had

599
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:15,240
when I was younger maybe 18 or 19. but

600
00:23:20,270 --> 00:23:18,240
it was a dream but I also felt Euphoria

601
00:23:23,149 --> 00:23:20,280
I woke up from the dream with the tear

602
00:23:25,250 --> 00:23:23,159
in my eye and I was given a message

603
00:23:26,810 --> 00:23:25,260
which is very interesting now my message

604
00:23:29,810 --> 00:23:26,820
I'll tell you what it is it was just

605
00:23:31,130 --> 00:23:29,820
Sean go back to school relax and go back

606
00:23:37,850 --> 00:23:31,140
to school

607
00:23:40,970 --> 00:23:37,860
know but uh follow it yeah but uh but it

608
00:23:42,770 --> 00:23:40,980
was a very intense dream that was

609
00:23:44,750 --> 00:23:42,780
obviously different

610
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:44,760
um than than anything else and and I

611
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:46,320
thought it was God too so that's a

612
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:48,240
pretty interesting

613
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,840
um

614
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:50,640
but yeah I know what you mean and the

615
00:23:56,930 --> 00:23:52,799
toughest part sometimes having these

616
00:23:59,450 --> 00:23:56,940
experiences is thinking of all the

617
00:24:02,510 --> 00:23:59,460
different ways it may have or may not

618
00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:02,520
have affected you you know like is this

619
00:24:06,409 --> 00:24:04,440
a positive thing that I'm here doing

620
00:24:08,570 --> 00:24:06,419
this show looking at Flying Saucer files

621
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:08,580
all the time or is that a negative thing

622
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:11,520
you know like would my time be better

623
00:24:17,570 --> 00:24:14,880
spent doing something that you know puts

624
00:24:20,270 --> 00:24:17,580
a lot of money in my pocket for instance

625
00:24:21,649 --> 00:24:20,280
or whatever you know so I I always get

626
00:24:23,149 --> 00:24:21,659
stuck in those thoughts and I know what

627
00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:23,159
you mean too but at some point you just

628
00:24:27,470 --> 00:24:25,140
have to let go and and it is what it is

629
00:24:30,289 --> 00:24:27,480
and embrace where you're at now right

630
00:24:32,510 --> 00:24:30,299
yeah and I think if anyone reads the

631
00:24:33,649 --> 00:24:32,520
article the biggest takeaway I got from

632
00:24:35,630 --> 00:24:33,659
that dream

633
00:24:37,130 --> 00:24:35,640
and it's it's not a takeaway that

634
00:24:40,130 --> 00:24:37,140
happened immediately afterward it's an

635
00:24:42,350 --> 00:24:40,140
it's a takeaway that I that I have as a

636
00:24:44,450 --> 00:24:42,360
result of seeing how how maybe it

637
00:24:45,950 --> 00:24:44,460
affected my my belief systems and

638
00:24:49,130 --> 00:24:45,960
perspectives is the biggest takeaway is

639
00:24:51,230 --> 00:24:49,140
is that free will is not is not as black

640
00:24:53,810 --> 00:24:51,240
and white as people make it out to be

641
00:24:55,490 --> 00:24:53,820
Free Will is is I do believe Free Will

642
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:55,500
exist but I also believe Free Will is

643
00:24:58,970 --> 00:24:56,640
very limited

644
00:25:00,850 --> 00:24:58,980
and I think as a civilization we we are

645
00:25:03,409 --> 00:25:00,860
just way too judgmental

646
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,419
uh just to give you an example

647
00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:05,520
if someone disagrees with you it doesn't

648
00:25:09,049 --> 00:25:07,080
necessarily mean that they have bad

649
00:25:11,930 --> 00:25:09,059
intentions or that they have good

650
00:25:14,450 --> 00:25:11,940
intentions what what we as as as a

651
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,460
species as a as human beings do way too

652
00:25:17,810 --> 00:25:16,559
often and I don't think this is a

653
00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:17,820
conscious mistake I think it's a

654
00:25:22,190 --> 00:25:19,620
subconscious mistake is we don't sit

655
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,200
back in in and reflect on well why does

656
00:25:25,549 --> 00:25:24,000
a person see it this way does it have

657
00:25:27,409 --> 00:25:25,559
anything to do with where they grew up

658
00:25:30,110 --> 00:25:27,419
does it have anything to do with what

659
00:25:31,789 --> 00:25:30,120
the beliefs or philosophy of their of

660
00:25:33,169 --> 00:25:31,799
their parents were does it have anything

661
00:25:34,669 --> 00:25:33,179
to do with what college they went to

662
00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:34,679
does it have anything to do with their

663
00:25:39,169 --> 00:25:36,900
neural connections

664
00:25:40,730 --> 00:25:39,179
um I'll give you an example

665
00:25:43,370 --> 00:25:40,740
um I'd think about this all the time

666
00:25:46,970 --> 00:25:43,380
I'll give you an example I'm fascinated

667
00:25:49,370 --> 00:25:46,980
with psychology I'm fascinated with

668
00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:49,380
um the differences between people

669
00:25:54,289 --> 00:25:52,620
um one one one common uh feature of

670
00:25:56,269 --> 00:25:54,299
people that are autistic

671
00:25:58,610 --> 00:25:56,279
is they have a very strong sense of

672
00:26:00,169 --> 00:25:58,620
justice which which can be a good thing

673
00:26:01,909 --> 00:26:00,179
but it also potentially can be a bad

674
00:26:05,810 --> 00:26:01,919
thing but it's it's something that that

675
00:26:08,330 --> 00:26:05,820
is is common with people with autism

676
00:26:10,970 --> 00:26:08,340
now if they weren't autistic would they

677
00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:10,980
still have that that fiery sense of

678
00:26:17,630 --> 00:26:14,340
justice maybe not so this is just a just

679
00:26:19,850 --> 00:26:17,640
so if they take pride in in like I I'm

680
00:26:21,890 --> 00:26:19,860
all about Justice and I can't stand when

681
00:26:23,810 --> 00:26:21,900
when wrongdoings are done here and there

682
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:23,820
and there that may be a virtue and I

683
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:27,120
I'll tip my hat to them but let's not

684
00:26:31,610 --> 00:26:29,039
lose sight of the fact that how much of

685
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:31,620
that is the result of meant of your

686
00:26:36,529 --> 00:26:34,799
brain wiring if you were born with a

687
00:26:38,269 --> 00:26:36,539
different brain wiring maybe you would

688
00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:38,279
be very lackadaisic about certain

689
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:41,820
injustices maybe maybe you wouldn't be

690
00:26:47,390 --> 00:26:46,080
um as as emphatic or pursuing fairness

691
00:26:50,330 --> 00:26:47,400
if you will

692
00:26:53,330 --> 00:26:50,340
um and and so when I when I reflect on

693
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:53,340
my virtues if I have any virtues I try

694
00:26:57,529 --> 00:26:55,200
to remind myself you know let's not lose

695
00:26:59,810 --> 00:26:57,539
sight of the fact that the the parts of

696
00:27:03,950 --> 00:26:59,820
you that that is a good human being the

697
00:27:05,690 --> 00:27:03,960
parts of you that pursues fairness and

698
00:27:07,549 --> 00:27:05,700
Justice part of that might be because

699
00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:07,559
that's just the brain wiring you were

700
00:27:11,810 --> 00:27:10,200
born with are you or look at like uh

701
00:27:15,470 --> 00:27:11,820
look look at like look at people that

702
00:27:17,570 --> 00:27:15,480
are so uh sociopathic which is a I think

703
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,580
it's it's considered a personality

704
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:20,159
disorder and I I've done a little bit of

705
00:27:25,970 --> 00:27:22,159
research on uh

706
00:27:27,950 --> 00:27:25,980
so sociopathic sociopathy I I can't even

707
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,960
remember don't ask me I can't even

708
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:29,520
remember the clinical term for it but

709
00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:32,159
I've done a little uh research on it and

710
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:34,140
guess what according to the science

711
00:27:39,289 --> 00:27:36,240
unless I'm mistaken and I don't think I

712
00:27:42,649 --> 00:27:39,299
am according to the science there is no

713
00:27:45,289 --> 00:27:42,659
cure for sociopathy there is no cure for

714
00:27:47,330 --> 00:27:45,299
narcissism people who are diagnosed with

715
00:27:49,310 --> 00:27:47,340
narcissism which is a personality

716
00:27:52,850 --> 00:27:49,320
disorder there's no cure for it maybe

717
00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:52,860
someday there will be and and so why why

718
00:27:57,950 --> 00:27:55,740
why is this significant it's significant

719
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:57,960
because it would be easy for a guy like

720
00:28:01,549 --> 00:27:59,279
me to look at someone that that

721
00:28:03,769 --> 00:28:01,559
literally has that brain wiring that

722
00:28:06,350 --> 00:28:03,779
makes the narcissists can be like I'm

723
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,360
the I'm the greatest man alive I am such

724
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:08,880
a just person I am such a kind person I

725
00:28:13,789 --> 00:28:12,000
am such a wonderful person but no if I

726
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:13,799
was born with narcissism which is

727
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:16,020
genetic it I think it's

728
00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:19,080
it's partially nurture but I think it

729
00:28:24,409 --> 00:28:21,240
for it to be activated there has to be a

730
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:24,419
genetic predisposition I would be a very

731
00:28:29,210 --> 00:28:26,880
different person so free will what is

732
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,220
Free Will Free Will is not something we

733
00:28:33,529 --> 00:28:30,960
totally understand you can take two

734
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:33,539
people and one person

735
00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:35,640
has all these wonderful virtues and the

736
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:37,559
other person doesn't but the person with

737
00:28:40,730 --> 00:28:38,880
all the wonderful virtues is not

738
00:28:42,110 --> 00:28:40,740
necessarily not necessarily a better

739
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:42,120
person part of that might be the way

740
00:28:45,649 --> 00:28:43,919
their brain are wired so I so my point

741
00:28:47,630 --> 00:28:45,659
my point is we should all humble

742
00:28:49,789 --> 00:28:47,640
ourselves and take a step back stop

743
00:28:52,130 --> 00:28:49,799
being so damn judgmental stop stop

744
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,140
seeing other people's enemies constantly

745
00:28:56,210 --> 00:28:54,000
seeing them as enemies because when we

746
00:28:58,610 --> 00:28:56,220
do that when we do that we get so

747
00:29:00,289 --> 00:28:58,620
preoccupied with othering people and

748
00:29:02,090 --> 00:29:00,299
making them our enemy we lose sight of

749
00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:02,100
the fact that wait a minute that they

750
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,020
don't necessarily have a bad intention

751
00:29:08,390 --> 00:29:06,480
even if they're wrong even if they're

752
00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:08,400
misguided that doesn't necessarily mean

753
00:29:12,890 --> 00:29:10,260
that their intentions are bad now look

754
00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:12,900
to be to be to be

755
00:29:17,930 --> 00:29:15,720
um balanced here sometimes it is bad

756
00:29:19,070 --> 00:29:17,940
intentions sometimes people are Pricks

757
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:19,080
and they know they're Pricks and they

758
00:29:23,289 --> 00:29:20,880
want to be Pricks I'm just saying it's

759
00:29:26,090 --> 00:29:23,299
not black and white so let's let's let's

760
00:29:27,649 --> 00:29:26,100
factor that into the equation when we

761
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:27,659
look at other people that disagree with

762
00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:29,279
us that's all I'm saying

763
00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:31,740
no I think that's perfect we often don't

764
00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:34,620
think about why people are the way they

765
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,840
are and I told you that I think about

766
00:29:40,970 --> 00:29:39,120
this all the time based on who their

767
00:29:42,350 --> 00:29:40,980
parents are how they were raised where

768
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,360
they were raised where they went to

769
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,640
school even down to the kids that were

770
00:29:49,010 --> 00:29:46,159
in their schools

771
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:49,020
all these different things if I said

772
00:29:52,990 --> 00:29:50,159
anything in this interview that's going

773
00:29:58,250 --> 00:29:56,029
just please forgive me because I'm a

774
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:58,260
flawed human being man I am a flawed

775
00:30:01,610 --> 00:30:00,000
human being and if I said something that

776
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:01,620
offends someone let's have a talk about

777
00:30:05,330 --> 00:30:03,120
it maybe you'll change my mind and I'll

778
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:05,340
apologize to you like we live in a

779
00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:06,720
society now where people are just

780
00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:09,480
constantly walking on eggshells we can't

781
00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:11,700
have a conversation and discuss our

782
00:30:16,130 --> 00:30:13,740
differences before we can even have that

783
00:30:18,169 --> 00:30:16,140
conversation one person is the devil and

784
00:30:19,549 --> 00:30:18,179
one person thinks they're the saint and

785
00:30:21,169 --> 00:30:19,559
how can you have a conversation with

786
00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:21,179
other people when you've already decided

787
00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:22,380
you're so much better than the other

788
00:30:27,169 --> 00:30:24,600
person and you're not factoring in the

789
00:30:28,610 --> 00:30:27,179
Myriad of possibilities of why they

790
00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:28,620
think the way they do why they say the

791
00:30:34,010 --> 00:30:31,740
things they do and so forth I just this

792
00:30:37,730 --> 00:30:34,020
is just you know what this is just an

793
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:37,740
area of of of of reflection that just

794
00:30:42,889 --> 00:30:40,559
I I find troubling as a human being but

795
00:30:45,049 --> 00:30:42,899
look I'm always open to this is one

796
00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:45,059
thing about me I'm always open to

797
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,700
counter arguments if there's anyone on

798
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:48,960
this planet that's willing to change

799
00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:50,880
their mind about any almost anything

800
00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:52,620
almost anything obviously some things

801
00:30:55,850 --> 00:30:54,779
like don't murder other people yeah I'm

802
00:30:58,250 --> 00:30:55,860
not going to change my mind on that but

803
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,260
almost anything I will change my mind

804
00:31:02,330 --> 00:31:00,960
I'm not I'm not an ideologue I I'm

805
00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:02,340
really just trying to be a good person

806
00:31:06,889 --> 00:31:04,200
like like I think most people that's all

807
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:06,899
I got to say about that yeah no I could

808
00:31:11,510 --> 00:31:09,120
I could tell uh on your Twitter post too

809
00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:11,520
like um don't get it confused uh Ryan's

810
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,080
not a person to come out and say uh

811
00:31:16,909 --> 00:31:15,120
aliens exist they're here right now

812
00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:16,919
disclosure is coming tomorrow Joe

813
00:31:20,350 --> 00:31:18,600
Biden's half alien all that kind of

814
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:20,360
stuff like don't get it confused you are

815
00:31:25,070 --> 00:31:23,279
very open to to other options and what

816
00:31:28,490 --> 00:31:25,080
things could or could not be and I think

817
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:28,500
that's very clear if if you look at your

818
00:31:32,269 --> 00:31:30,840
Twitter account and um You didn't say

819
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,279
anything that would get you canceled I

820
00:31:36,529 --> 00:31:34,559
think what you said was uh was beautiful

821
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:36,539
and I think uh people should really

822
00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:37,740
listen to that because we should

823
00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:40,260
shouldn't have to walk on eggshells and

824
00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:41,940
we shouldn't think someone is an enemy

825
00:31:47,450 --> 00:31:43,980
because we have a different opinion

826
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:47,460
it's it's wonderful and I agree and I

827
00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:48,960
think that's a good message one thing I

828
00:31:52,970 --> 00:31:50,760
like to say is you know when I was

829
00:31:54,889 --> 00:31:52,980
younger my politics were different my

830
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:54,899
perceptions were different and now uh

831
00:31:58,370 --> 00:31:57,000
they they're like now just not that I'm

832
00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:58,380
judging people that have politics or

833
00:32:01,490 --> 00:31:59,820
perceptions different than me I'm not

834
00:32:03,230 --> 00:32:01,500
but I used to be a little bit more

835
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:03,240
conservative and now I lean a little bit

836
00:32:08,090 --> 00:32:05,760
more left so anyone that perceives

837
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:08,100
conservativism as oh you're a bad person

838
00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:09,600
so my question is was I a bad person

839
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,460
when I leaned more conservative and now

840
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,440
now suddenly I'm a good person right

841
00:32:17,149 --> 00:32:14,880
because I align with your politics it's

842
00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:17,159
like like again this comes down to to

843
00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:19,500
intentions was my or my if you perceive

844
00:32:22,970 --> 00:32:21,240
if whatever my politics used to be and

845
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:22,980
they weren't extreme but whatever they

846
00:32:27,529 --> 00:32:25,679
were if you perceive that as as

847
00:32:29,570 --> 00:32:27,539
constituting a bad person my question to

848
00:32:32,810 --> 00:32:29,580
you would be were my intentions bad then

849
00:32:35,630 --> 00:32:32,820
we have to be able to we have to be able

850
00:32:37,850 --> 00:32:35,640
to understand that people can be even be

851
00:32:39,730 --> 00:32:37,860
even be wrong about things but that

852
00:32:43,730 --> 00:32:39,740
doesn't mean their intentions are bad

853
00:32:46,669 --> 00:32:43,740
we're human beings on a floating Rock in

854
00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:46,679
the Milky Way galaxy with a hundred

855
00:32:51,710 --> 00:32:49,080
billion stars and 100 billion planets

856
00:32:54,590 --> 00:32:51,720
amongst two to four trillion galaxies we

857
00:32:57,769 --> 00:32:54,600
don't know nothing we've only had uh

858
00:33:01,250 --> 00:32:57,779
like I think we've had like uh

859
00:33:04,730 --> 00:33:01,260
modern computers for like 120 years and

860
00:33:06,289 --> 00:33:04,740
like the first car was like maybe 180

861
00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:06,299
years ago was created we're we're

862
00:33:12,409 --> 00:33:09,960
walking monkeys we are it's hard life is

863
00:33:15,289 --> 00:33:12,419
hard and I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not

864
00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:15,299
suggesting or encouraging that we don't

865
00:33:19,490 --> 00:33:17,940
counter people I'm not saying that if

866
00:33:21,649 --> 00:33:19,500
you disagree with someone just let it go

867
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:21,659
no counter then try to persuade them of

868
00:33:25,730 --> 00:33:23,760
what you perceive but my point is let's

869
00:33:27,169 --> 00:33:25,740
cut people a little slack because sure

870
00:33:29,870 --> 00:33:27,179
it

871
00:33:31,970 --> 00:33:29,880
a lot of how we perceive the world as

872
00:33:34,730 --> 00:33:31,980
not predicated on bad intentions or good

873
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,740
intentions or or it could be or it could

874
00:33:37,490 --> 00:33:36,240
be predicated on good intentions but

875
00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:37,500
even if you have good intentions that

876
00:33:41,289 --> 00:33:38,820
doesn't always mean that you're going to

877
00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:41,299
come to the right the right conclusion

878
00:33:45,049 --> 00:33:43,740
correct I guess if I were to boil this

879
00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:45,059
all down I'd just say let's stop being

880
00:33:49,330 --> 00:33:46,200
so black and white about everything

881
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:49,340
that's it yeah amen I think that's

882
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:50,960
fantastic

883
00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:53,279
and uh yeah I love it because you're

884
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:54,659
challenging people to open up their

885
00:33:59,450 --> 00:33:57,200
minds it's just uh

886
00:34:02,029 --> 00:33:59,460
regarding my perception of UFOs I will

887
00:34:03,649 --> 00:34:02,039
say this when I started my channel I was

888
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:03,659
less skeptical

889
00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:07,919
that I was more convinced that we were

890
00:34:11,629 --> 00:34:09,720
dealing with non-human intelligence now

891
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,639
brains are funny things you know Brains

892
00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:13,919
Brains are very interesting

893
00:34:18,849 --> 00:34:16,020
um the the wiring of your brain changes

894
00:34:22,730 --> 00:34:18,859
over time synapses and all that right

895
00:34:24,649 --> 00:34:22,740
a plasticity of the mind I'm way more

896
00:34:26,990 --> 00:34:24,659
skeptical than I was when I started but

897
00:34:29,089 --> 00:34:27,000
only in terms of levels of certainty so

898
00:34:31,129 --> 00:34:29,099
we're I think when I first started off

899
00:34:34,070 --> 00:34:31,139
it's probably true I was near certain

900
00:34:36,409 --> 00:34:34,080
that there's a mystery and now I like to

901
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,419
say I'm over 50

902
00:34:41,389 --> 00:34:38,639
um simply because I've become more

903
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:41,399
skeptical of my own thinking process

904
00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:43,200
I've just been more come more skeptical

905
00:34:47,149 --> 00:34:45,960
in general but I still do believe and I

906
00:34:48,589 --> 00:34:47,159
still would consider myself a believer

907
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,599
that we're dealing with a mystery I'm

908
00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:51,119
just I'm open to I'm more open to being

909
00:34:54,169 --> 00:34:53,220
wrong Than I Used to Be let's just put

910
00:34:58,430 --> 00:34:54,179
it that way

911
00:35:00,050 --> 00:34:58,440
yeah what do you attribute that to

912
00:35:02,510 --> 00:35:00,060
um that's a good question

913
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:02,520
I I don't know maybe part of what I

914
00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:05,040
attributed to is just seeing all of you

915
00:35:10,010 --> 00:35:07,080
know if you if you if you spend enough

916
00:35:12,170 --> 00:35:10,020
time within ufology you do see a lot of

917
00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:12,180
PS you know what I mean yeah you do I

918
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:16,140
agree uh misinformation and and uh I

919
00:35:18,589 --> 00:35:17,280
hate to use this term because I don't

920
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:18,599
think it applies to that many people and

921
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:20,940
I think it's awfully misused but you do

922
00:35:24,349 --> 00:35:22,440
see grifting

923
00:35:27,530 --> 00:35:24,359
um you you do see

924
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,540
um how how bad people's analysis can be

925
00:35:31,550 --> 00:35:29,520
at times and so you could you could

926
00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:31,560
extrapolate from that and say Well since

927
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,000
that exists it must exist for everyone

928
00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:36,240
but I think that is a huge mistake I

929
00:35:39,710 --> 00:35:38,040
think we have to be able to separate the

930
00:35:43,130 --> 00:35:39,720
wheat from the chat chaff if you will

931
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:43,140
yeah there's a lot of wheat out there uh

932
00:35:48,589 --> 00:35:46,079
one of the best UFO cases is the USS

933
00:35:52,490 --> 00:35:48,599
Nimitz case from 2004.

934
00:35:55,250 --> 00:35:52,500
and so but the skeptic side also has

935
00:35:57,650 --> 00:35:55,260
awful thinking sometimes it's not just

936
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,660
the UFO believer side in my opinion

937
00:36:01,609 --> 00:35:59,280
um no it goes both ways because like

938
00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:01,619
I'll give you an example Mick West one

939
00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:04,200
of his mantras is that the the UAP that

940
00:36:08,810 --> 00:36:06,660
was encountered in 2004 is most likely a

941
00:36:10,490 --> 00:36:08,820
plane in the distance like anyone that

942
00:36:12,050 --> 00:36:10,500
knows anything about how these sensor

943
00:36:14,210 --> 00:36:12,060
systems work how they corroborate with

944
00:36:18,770 --> 00:36:14,220
one another how they how they create

945
00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:18,780
this this battle space environment and

946
00:36:25,790 --> 00:36:22,260
and it's all monitored and

947
00:36:28,190 --> 00:36:25,800
like all the like the Spy one radar and

948
00:36:30,109 --> 00:36:28,200
the E2 Hawkeye and you're telling me

949
00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:30,119
like some Cessna was just far off in the

950
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:31,260
distance and they didn't figure that out

951
00:36:36,410 --> 00:36:34,680
and then on top of it it was just a

952
00:36:37,550 --> 00:36:36,420
coincidence that when Chad Underwood

953
00:36:41,569 --> 00:36:37,560
took off

954
00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:41,579
uh he was able to film an object that to

955
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:43,980
this day the video has not been debunked

956
00:36:48,589 --> 00:36:46,320
I don't know man that's the the odds of

957
00:36:50,510 --> 00:36:48,599
that are pretty low no yeah that's it

958
00:36:52,010 --> 00:36:50,520
that's some pretty bored debunking when

959
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,020
you have to just completely throw out

960
00:36:57,530 --> 00:36:54,240
witness testimony and unfortunately like

961
00:37:00,770 --> 00:36:57,540
having read so many Blue Book uh files

962
00:37:02,569 --> 00:37:00,780
you know his art of debunking is exactly

963
00:37:04,730 --> 00:37:02,579
the same as those blue book

964
00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:04,740
investigators when there was a radar and

965
00:37:08,930 --> 00:37:06,839
a visual sighting they would break those

966
00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:08,940
up and they would say okay so what was

967
00:37:13,010 --> 00:37:10,980
the radar sighting it was a weather

968
00:37:15,470 --> 00:37:13,020
phenomenon okay well then what was the

969
00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:15,480
visual he was looking at Venus you know

970
00:37:20,210 --> 00:37:18,060
so they always have to throw out the

971
00:37:22,670 --> 00:37:20,220
witness testimony no matter if they said

972
00:37:24,829 --> 00:37:22,680
they saw the thing zigzagging doing 90

973
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,839
degree turns it was a freaking planet

974
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,400
and that's what he's doing he's doing

975
00:37:29,690 --> 00:37:28,560
the same thing because he doesn't have

976
00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:29,700
he doesn't have to he doesn't have to

977
00:37:33,410 --> 00:37:31,740
use evidence to prove his point and

978
00:37:35,150 --> 00:37:33,420
there's no explanation if you use the

979
00:37:37,730 --> 00:37:35,160
witness testimony and he can't deal with

980
00:37:39,530 --> 00:37:37,740
that you know I mean he does look like

981
00:37:41,329 --> 00:37:39,540
West does a lot of good work I'm not I'm

982
00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:41,339
not saying he doesn't but do I think

983
00:37:46,490 --> 00:37:44,520
he's heavily biased yeah do I think he's

984
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:46,500
he's one of the more objective Skeptics

985
00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:48,839
out there no and just because he's hot

986
00:37:53,089 --> 00:37:50,760
he's incredibly intelligent he's highly

987
00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:53,099
skilled at debunking videos and so forth

988
00:37:56,569 --> 00:37:54,900
we should not conflate that with him

989
00:37:58,370 --> 00:37:56,579
being objective I don't consider him

990
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:58,380
amongst the most subjective Skeptics out

991
00:38:02,930 --> 00:38:00,000
there two things can be true at the same

992
00:38:06,109 --> 00:38:02,940
time yeah and there's this same version

993
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:06,119
on the you know UFO Believers side too

994
00:38:10,190 --> 00:38:07,920
where you have your believer no matter

995
00:38:12,890 --> 00:38:10,200
what people say about anything they

996
00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:12,900
believe it die hard that's like you know

997
00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:15,240
there's we have the same versions of

998
00:38:19,490 --> 00:38:17,160
each on on a believer's side and

999
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:19,500
debunker side as far as the types of

1000
00:38:24,530 --> 00:38:22,320
people that uh you know are around in

1001
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,540
each community so so it's kind of

1002
00:38:28,730 --> 00:38:26,640
there's there's always so much

1003
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,740
um it's always so ironic when people

1004
00:38:32,990 --> 00:38:30,480
complain about the same problems that

1005
00:38:34,670 --> 00:38:33,000
the other side does too you know but

1006
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,680
they don't see it because it makes it it

1007
00:38:37,550 --> 00:38:36,240
makes me have you heard of it have you

1008
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:37,560
heard of have you heard of horseshoe

1009
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:40,560
Theory no so horseshoe theory is a

1010
00:38:43,849 --> 00:38:42,000
theory that

1011
00:38:46,010 --> 00:38:43,859
um if you look at the extreme far left

1012
00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:46,020
and you look at the extreme far right in

1013
00:38:50,930 --> 00:38:48,420
politics they actually have more in

1014
00:38:53,690 --> 00:38:50,940
common than they they don't it's like a

1015
00:38:56,530 --> 00:38:53,700
horseshoe so I feel like you could argue

1016
00:38:59,210 --> 00:38:56,540
there's some truth to that with

1017
00:39:02,210 --> 00:38:59,220
extreme Believers and extreme Skeptics

1018
00:39:04,970 --> 00:39:02,220
like they're using the same logical

1019
00:39:08,329 --> 00:39:04,980
fallacies they're just applying them to

1020
00:39:10,490 --> 00:39:08,339
their belief system right exactly and

1021
00:39:12,770 --> 00:39:10,500
it's it's quite uh

1022
00:39:15,530 --> 00:39:12,780
you know and and that's the sort of

1023
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:15,540
thing I think the longer you're in this

1024
00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:17,760
community you know the more you may

1025
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:20,040
become skeptical because you see the see

1026
00:39:24,970 --> 00:39:21,960
these two parties doing this and they're

1027
00:39:27,950 --> 00:39:24,980
both oblivious to this and you're like

1028
00:39:31,849 --> 00:39:27,960
I'm not I'm not immune to the fact that

1029
00:39:36,050 --> 00:39:31,859
that every time we get something

1030
00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:36,060
it's either ambiguous or it sure or it's

1031
00:39:40,849 --> 00:39:38,040
literally debunked when it comes to like

1032
00:39:43,069 --> 00:39:40,859
new footage coming out so like that that

1033
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:43,079
wears on you as a quote-unquote Believer

1034
00:39:48,829 --> 00:39:45,660
but again let's not be black and white

1035
00:39:52,010 --> 00:39:48,839
it can be true that those are have

1036
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:52,020
nothing's come forward yet that has

1037
00:39:56,510 --> 00:39:54,000
proven this phenomena

1038
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,520
but the phenomena is still here and we

1039
00:40:01,130 --> 00:39:58,800
can we can reasonably come to that

1040
00:40:03,530 --> 00:40:01,140
assessment based upon the patterns that

1041
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,540
have emerged over many many decades that

1042
00:40:08,930 --> 00:40:05,280
tens of thousands of witnesses all

1043
00:40:10,810 --> 00:40:08,940
seeing the same thing disparate sources

1044
00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:10,820
um if you

1045
00:40:15,890 --> 00:40:14,220
can see yeah there's no smoking gun but

1046
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:15,900
there is and that's another thing a lot

1047
00:40:20,089 --> 00:40:18,000
of like Skeptics I see on on Twitter

1048
00:40:22,250 --> 00:40:20,099
like this and I think I saw Michael

1049
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,260
Shermer say this recently there's no

1050
00:40:28,010 --> 00:40:24,480
evidence no there is evidence there's

1051
00:40:30,290 --> 00:40:28,020
foia documents there's people coming who

1052
00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:30,300
have had corroborated sightings and all

1053
00:40:35,690 --> 00:40:32,760
describing the same thing and that's

1054
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,700
evidence that's not hearsay hearsay is

1055
00:40:38,990 --> 00:40:37,440
secondhand testimony that's firsthand

1056
00:40:41,150 --> 00:40:39,000
testimony that could be admitted in a

1057
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:41,160
court of law that is evidence there's no

1058
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:43,680
proof let's let's be able to parse the

1059
00:40:47,630 --> 00:40:45,180
difference between evidence and proof

1060
00:40:49,849 --> 00:40:47,640
right right right yeah because uh

1061
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:49,859
evidence is something that that's a

1062
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,420
courtroom term and if you want to use

1063
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,280
courtroom turns that's fine so if we're

1064
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:55,440
doing that evidence

1065
00:40:59,329 --> 00:40:57,359
um would include witness testimony so if

1066
00:41:01,010 --> 00:40:59,339
we're doing that we could line up all

1067
00:41:02,750 --> 00:41:01,020
the witnesses and if we're doing that

1068
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:02,760
let's see what the jury says by the end

1069
00:41:08,750 --> 00:41:06,480
of it I think it wouldn't go so well for

1070
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:08,760
Shermer because you know uh any

1071
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,680
arguments that debunkers make they

1072
00:41:15,050 --> 00:41:12,720
cannot use witness testimony they can't

1073
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,060
use it and

1074
00:41:20,089 --> 00:41:17,040
um unfortunately that's just not the way

1075
00:41:21,470 --> 00:41:20,099
life works so but and I just know that

1076
00:41:23,210 --> 00:41:21,480
doesn't mean I know what the things are

1077
00:41:24,410 --> 00:41:23,220
either I don't know what they are you

1078
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:24,420
know I don't know what these things are

1079
00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:26,640
I don't know what it is that I saw but I

1080
00:41:30,609 --> 00:41:28,380
know something exists and the

1081
00:41:33,170 --> 00:41:30,619
overwhelming amount of witness testimony

1082
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,180
in Air Force's own words where they

1083
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:35,760
can't explain things there is an

1084
00:41:40,609 --> 00:41:38,460
overwhelming uh amount of cases that

1085
00:41:43,069 --> 00:41:40,619
does prove that there's something

1086
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:43,079
unexplainable that exists or has existed

1087
00:41:46,849 --> 00:41:44,880
100 right exactly I don't know what it

1088
00:41:48,290 --> 00:41:46,859
is it's it's provable that that we're

1089
00:41:49,970 --> 00:41:48,300
dealing with a scientific mystery

1090
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:49,980
whether whether

1091
00:41:54,410 --> 00:41:52,680
my watch just talked to me it's provable

1092
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,420
it's provable we're dealing with a

1093
00:41:58,490 --> 00:41:56,400
scientific mystery

1094
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,500
um whether whether it's something

1095
00:42:03,130 --> 00:42:00,960
anomalous or not or at least anomalous

1096
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,140
in terms of being like alien technology

1097
00:42:07,849 --> 00:42:05,760
I know what you mean yeah I agree with

1098
00:42:10,370 --> 00:42:07,859
you

1099
00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:10,380
brother

1100
00:42:17,450 --> 00:42:15,000
uh uh I just want to say yes I just well

1101
00:42:19,849 --> 00:42:17,460
last thing I'll say is because I I don't

1102
00:42:22,010 --> 00:42:19,859
want to to offend anybody I I was

1103
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:22,020
diagnosed with ADHD attention uh

1104
00:42:25,849 --> 00:42:23,760
hyperactive attention deficit disorder

1105
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:25,859
and I think I have somewhat of a strong

1106
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:27,839
sense of justice myself and I think that

1107
00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:31,440
it's it's partly because of my my me

1108
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,260
being neuro neurodiversion so

1109
00:42:38,270 --> 00:42:36,720
um so I think a lot about how how I

1110
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:38,280
perceive the world through the lens of

1111
00:42:43,490 --> 00:42:41,280
of my own mental wiring and and it makes

1112
00:42:47,089 --> 00:42:43,500
me think like well who would I be you

1113
00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:47,099
know what would I care about if if if I

1114
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:49,260
didn't have that or you know or here's

1115
00:42:51,770 --> 00:42:50,400
another example let's say you have a

1116
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,780
best friend

1117
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:53,520
um this is a this is something people

1118
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:55,200
don't think about too like why people

1119
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:56,880
are sensitive to certain injustices

1120
00:43:01,309 --> 00:42:58,319
let's say you have a best friend that's

1121
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:01,319
that's gay right and he's he's been your

1122
00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:02,640
friend for 10 years well if that's the

1123
00:43:05,690 --> 00:43:03,780
case you're probably going to be a lot

1124
00:43:07,609 --> 00:43:05,700
more sensitive to injustices toward gay

1125
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,619
people compared to someone that was like

1126
00:43:12,890 --> 00:43:10,079
born in a Muslim country just as an

1127
00:43:16,190 --> 00:43:12,900
example and the the Quran or or their

1128
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:16,200
religious or or not even a a Catholic

1129
00:43:19,849 --> 00:43:17,760
country it doesn't have to be it could

1130
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,859
be any religion where it says that

1131
00:43:22,490 --> 00:43:21,119
that's a sin they're going to be a lot

1132
00:43:25,370 --> 00:43:22,500
less sensitive

1133
00:43:28,849 --> 00:43:25,380
to to injustices toward gay people now

1134
00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:28,859
is is what how is that intention maybe

1135
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,380
but a lot of it is is experience you

1136
00:43:35,870 --> 00:43:33,599
know the experiences we have contribute

1137
00:43:37,490 --> 00:43:35,880
to the our sensitivities so we should be

1138
00:43:40,190 --> 00:43:37,500
careful not to we should be careful not

1139
00:43:41,630 --> 00:43:40,200
to hyper hyper judge other people for

1140
00:43:44,690 --> 00:43:41,640
not being adequately sensitive about

1141
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,700
something when it's it's often very

1142
00:43:48,770 --> 00:43:47,040
circumstantial what we get sensitive to

1143
00:43:50,930 --> 00:43:48,780
and what we don't it's not you can't

1144
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,940
just boil it down to Free Will and I

1145
00:43:54,530 --> 00:43:52,800
think we as a civilization we do that a

1146
00:43:55,849 --> 00:43:54,540
lot we judge people for not caring

1147
00:43:57,770 --> 00:43:55,859
enough about this or not caring enough

1148
00:43:59,930 --> 00:43:57,780
about that or focusing on this like no

1149
00:44:01,790 --> 00:43:59,940
no no no it's so much more complicated

1150
00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:01,800
than that you you have to you have to

1151
00:44:05,569 --> 00:44:03,420
factor in things that you don't even

1152
00:44:07,730 --> 00:44:05,579
think of and perceive stop being so damn

1153
00:44:09,050 --> 00:44:07,740
judgmental that's all I have to say

1154
00:44:10,609 --> 00:44:09,060
about that yeah no you're right because

1155
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:10,619
what you're saying is like I didn't

1156
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:19,190
I still believe there's free will I just

1157
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:20,880
think it's so much more complicated than

1158
00:44:24,770 --> 00:44:23,040
people make it out to be right it's just

1159
00:44:26,990 --> 00:44:24,780
so much more complex is there free will

1160
00:44:30,170 --> 00:44:27,000
if you're born to be somebody you didn't

1161
00:44:31,550 --> 00:44:30,180
choose to be you know yes but there

1162
00:44:33,470 --> 00:44:31,560
there if

1163
00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:33,480
you say you were it's interesting let's

1164
00:44:37,069 --> 00:44:35,339
say you were born with a proclivity to

1165
00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:37,079
be very angry

1166
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:39,900
did you oh do you choose to have that

1167
00:44:45,770 --> 00:44:42,240
susceptibility no that's your genetics

1168
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,780
right but but it could be argued on some

1169
00:44:50,329 --> 00:44:48,000
level you can choose how to deal with

1170
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,339
that right but on the other hand if I

1171
00:44:54,410 --> 00:44:52,319
was born with with zero proclivity be

1172
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,420
angry I probably shouldn't be prideful

1173
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,640
that I'm not getting angry because that

1174
00:45:00,890 --> 00:44:58,800
because I didn't put any work into not

1175
00:45:03,410 --> 00:45:00,900
being an angry person whereas someone

1176
00:45:05,150 --> 00:45:03,420
standing next to me maybe more of an

1177
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:05,160
angry person than I am

1178
00:45:10,609 --> 00:45:07,920
but they've put in way more work

1179
00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:10,619
right and I put in my deficiencies and

1180
00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:12,599
yet I'm going to judge them negatively

1181
00:45:18,170 --> 00:45:14,700
but they're still a better person than I

1182
00:45:19,609 --> 00:45:18,180
am because they exerted effort to get to

1183
00:45:21,650 --> 00:45:19,619
where they are that I did not have to

1184
00:45:23,450 --> 00:45:21,660
exert these are just these are these are

1185
00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:23,460
itch of disease and subtleties that we

1186
00:45:27,470 --> 00:45:25,260
just don't look at because we're so damn

1187
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,480
judgmental and we don't we see

1188
00:45:32,030 --> 00:45:29,040
everything is black and white and we

1189
00:45:33,710 --> 00:45:32,040
don't take the time to to reflect on how

1190
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:33,720
complicated it all is but that's just my

1191
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,960
perspective so free will is learning how

1192
00:45:42,290 --> 00:45:39,359
to live with your shitty qualities

1193
00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:42,300
yeah on some level but then again but

1194
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,980
then again yeah on some level but then

1195
00:45:48,170 --> 00:45:45,680
like you know you look at like um

1196
00:45:49,730 --> 00:45:48,180
sociopaths which is a which is a

1197
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:49,740
personality disorder they don't feel

1198
00:45:53,569 --> 00:45:51,839
empathy how do you live with that and

1199
00:45:55,309 --> 00:45:53,579
it's genetic and it doesn't happen and

1200
00:45:57,710 --> 00:45:55,319
how do you change that right you can't

1201
00:45:59,210 --> 00:45:57,720
change it you can't change it the only

1202
00:46:00,890 --> 00:45:59,220
thing you could do from my understanding

1203
00:46:02,270 --> 00:46:00,900
and then someone can correct me I'm

1204
00:46:05,569 --> 00:46:02,280
wrong is that you would have to learn

1205
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:05,579
how to still be a upstanding citizen

1206
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,760
even if you're not feeling empathy or

1207
00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:10,560
for other people but that of course if

1208
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:12,060
that's your situation it's going to be a

1209
00:46:15,230 --> 00:46:13,680
lot harder to be an outstanding citizen

1210
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:15,240
because you're at because you don't give

1211
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,240
a [\h__\h] about everybody you inherently

1212
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,920
have a disadvantage but these are the

1213
00:46:22,970 --> 00:46:21,359
things we never talk about we never

1214
00:46:25,730 --> 00:46:22,980
think about because we love people yeah

1215
00:46:28,490 --> 00:46:25,740
us human beings we love being judgmental

1216
00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:28,500
we love looking down upon people but you

1217
00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:29,940
know what this is what let's end this

1218
00:46:33,470 --> 00:46:31,020
with this because I know you want to go

1219
00:46:36,109 --> 00:46:33,480
and we've we've kind of we've covered a

1220
00:46:39,050 --> 00:46:36,119
lot of ground but this one Only God can

1221
00:46:41,089 --> 00:46:39,060
judge the heart of man only God knows

1222
00:46:44,450 --> 00:46:41,099
the ethical

1223
00:46:45,650 --> 00:46:44,460
um uh standing of a human being if if

1224
00:46:46,970 --> 00:46:45,660
there is a God which I don't even know

1225
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:46,980
if there's a God but if there is a God

1226
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:49,200
only that entity would have all the

1227
00:46:54,050 --> 00:46:51,839
contacts all the understanding but yet

1228
00:46:56,450 --> 00:46:54,060
we play God a lot in my opinion where we

1229
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,460
judge people so harshly without

1230
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:58,319
considering all the other factors that

1231
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:59,760
may be involved and why they did this

1232
00:47:03,530 --> 00:47:01,920
and why they said that but again I'm not

1233
00:47:04,609 --> 00:47:03,540
saying that I'm not saying that we

1234
00:47:06,170 --> 00:47:04,619
shouldn't judge people and I'm not

1235
00:47:07,790 --> 00:47:06,180
saying that Free Will doesn't exist all

1236
00:47:10,190 --> 00:47:07,800
I'm saying is

1237
00:47:11,630 --> 00:47:10,200
as imperfectly as we're all inevitably

1238
00:47:14,510 --> 00:47:11,640
going to do it because we're human let's

1239
00:47:17,930 --> 00:47:14,520
at least try to factor in some of the

1240
00:47:19,849 --> 00:47:17,940
complexities of reality when we do judge

1241
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,859
people so that maybe our hearts will be

1242
00:47:22,370 --> 00:47:21,119
softened a little bit and will be a

1243
00:47:24,530 --> 00:47:22,380
little bit less harsh maybe that's just

1244
00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:24,540
kind of where I'm coming from yeah I

1245
00:47:30,349 --> 00:47:26,460
like it I believe in God I'm not sure

1246
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:30,359
what God is but when I do it yeah that's

1247
00:47:34,130 --> 00:47:31,920
I I know I guess I went very